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Hello and welcome to Cooking Issues. This is Dave Arnold, your host of Cooking Ishes coming to you live on the Heritage Radio Network every Tuesday from roughly 12 to roughly 1245. And Roberta's Pizzeria in Bushwick Brooklyn. Special, special show for you today. We have, as usual, in the studio, Nastasia the Hammer Lopez.
How you doing, Stas? Good. We got David in the booth. Dave, how you doing? Doing great.
Nice. But today, today is the special Rockstar Wine Tasting, right? We got a bunch of Rockstar wines, some owned by Rockstar, some not. And to share this with you, we have a bunch of special guests. We have returning to the program, Jordana Rothman.
Hi guys. Whoa! You got a you got a burn, you got an air horn. Nice, nice. And you know, maybe if we have time, we'll talk smack about Burning Man and cocktails and giving each other crap and whatnot.
We have also the uh what's your uh Daniel, what's your title there at the Sirius Seats now? I always forget. Culinary Director. Culinary Director Daniel Gritzer. What up, what up?
Welcome back to the show. By the way, if any of you want to call in your by the way, get get ready now if you want to call in questions to 718497-2128. That's 718497-2128. But try to keep your questions relatively either rock star related or wine-related. Because we got a lot to get through today.
Uh, we'll deal with all of your non-rockstar and non-wine questions uh later. Now, uh to round out our actual like information, because you know, we're not bad people, right? We're not bad people. Right, okay. But we're not like, we're not we're not none of us are professionally kind of rock star folk or wine folk.
Actually, I have uh I have a career as a rock star on the side. Well, he's so sweet. Is that actually true? It is. He's actually written he's actually written a song with Nastasia the Hammer and I.
Yeah, I had my rap day. It's called Slap Your Balls. Uh well, I wish you had told my two dogs that last week when they had balls before I had them sniffed off at the vets. Uh but uh more about that. Now you have like different ball songs coming through my head, which is not appropriate.
All right. So let's start with uh let's start with our rock and roll cred. Uh we have Anthony Boza, who is uh welcome to the show. Very glad to be here. Yeah, uh a uh multi multi New York Times best selling author.
Uh has worked with the likes of uh slash well we'll get into it later if we have time, but like how was that? Was that okay? Oh, it was amazing. Yeah? Yeah, it was great.
Yeah. Um, glasses. I used to go to his house because he liked to get interviewed from like midnight till four in the morning, and he usually would arrive would uh open the door in a robe with a turban. That is sick. So kind of a hat, I guess still, but turban.
Was he doing like a hair mask? He had just showered any other white robe on that said slash. Yeah, it's like that. That is you know what? Everyone that's the life.
Yeah. That's like a just at home. Yeah, who else? Who else? Who else if you uh like like in that in that Tommy Lee?
Yeah, how was that? In the Pamela days or not in the Pamela days? Nope. It was in the the days uh when he wasn't in Motley Crue, and I lived with him. I ended up living with him.
This first time I did a co-write, didn't know what it was gonna be like. Ended up living in his house for nine months. That's gotta be Yeah. I'm glad to be here. Did you ask did you ask him?
Did you ask him about andor write about their like bet to see who could like go out and not shower the longest and still like get it on with the ladies on a constant basis? Is that is that apocryphal or is that true story? That's pretty true. Tommy does not like to shower that much. Wow.
Yeah, he calls it the rain closet, though. That's his little pet word for a shower. He's like, I'm gonna hop in the rain closet, dude. Be right back. Now, this is a family show.
I'm just saying that right now. But for any of you that go out and for any of you who go out and watch the uh the famous online uh like uh explicit video of Tommy Lee and p and Pamela when they were together, right? I want you to reimagine that without any showering for a long period of time. It's a good thing they were on a boat. Yeah, yeah.
Airing every airing everything out with the sea breezes. Uh yeah. What was the other one you said after Tommy Lee? Uh by the way, why do they pronounce it Motley Crue with all the ummouths? Shouldn't it be Murtloy Kurua?
Did you ask him that? We didn't get to that one, but you know. Oh, next time. Next time. All right.
And last but certainly not least, we brought our wine cred with Clifton Hyde, who is uh a psalm. Where are you song, Clifton? Uh work with uh the Moro wine group uh doing mostly high-end stuff for lots of rich people around. Oh, high-end, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. But also a member of the freaking blue man group.
Yes. What? What? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, when you get tired of eating marshmallows, you have to wash it down with some wine so it works out well.
This is strong business. This is people, people, this is some strong business. And we have a lot of wines uh to get through. And uh once we get uh Clifton liquored up, he might do some tricks with like ping pong balls and catching all sorts of crazy stuff with various things and whatnot. He's not dressed in in blue.
I hear the tryouts for the blue man group are just freaking bananas. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. I hear but it's like almost like a hazing, right? It's yeah, well, yeah. Well, first of all, just the the initial audition, you're in a room with a hundred people and they give you they play a song for you, and uh you're expected to memorize it and play it back on one listen and they change it for each person.
With those weird organs? All the yeah, it's instruments you've never played before. So it's crazy stuff. And so then that wheedles it down to a lot, and then after that it's just like a couple of months of just craziness and craziness, and then they keep putting you in front of people the whole time to see if you break under pressure and stuff. It's it's fun.
Alright, two questions. How long does it take to get the makeup off? Uh I got to well, uh I got most of it off within like 10 minutes. Wow. Whoa.
You get you get pretty good at that. Like you're like date ready in ten minutes, or are you still like uh well? So for visual picture, he's got a beard and a mush-ass. A mustache mustache. So I'm trying to imagine like the blue Yeah, it just cakes in there.
You just say fuck it, and you know, if anyone asks you just something that's how it'll roll. Alright, okay. And uh the second thing is is uh uh I imagine like gratifying and fun, but also soul crushing or not soul crushing. Continues to be fun? Uh well I haven't done it since 12, which is funny actually.
I did do some percussion work with them on Sunday night. Uh but no, it's it's it's one of the few things that's actually pretty it's always fun because the crowd's there and it's very improvisational with the crowd and you get to mess with them. Uh so I I ran screaming from Blue Man Group the only time I ever went. Too much touching. Yeah.
You for you, you thought there was too much touching. This is Jordana Rothman talking. If Jordana Rothman says there's too much touching, it's a Caligula movie. Let's put it that way. That was probably Clifton.
Yeah, yeah. I think it was like around 300, right before you got banished. Yeah, the banishment was good. Did the guy have a beard? Yeah.
Yeah. Alright, all right. Uh recognition. Well, you're like, we gotta make a bottle orchestra when this is done. Oh, totally and do a little routine.
Right? Yes, great. Alright, so let's get to it. So we have a bunch of different wines. Which which what are we gonna go through first?
We're gonna go through DLM? Yeah, we're gonna do DLM first. Okay. So the the premise behind this show is an excuse actually for uh Nastasia to get some friends on the show and have a good time, which is what we're doing. But in actuality, it's it's it's it's uh tasting and judging not just celebrity uh wines, of which there are many, for uh, but um rock star wines that are associated.
Now, uh DL DLM uh Bellamontagna Winery, uh uh Dennis is the guy that Nastasi has been in touch with over there. He is a winemaker and has been a winemaker, but really is a huge uh rock star fan. So he has a lot of collaborations with um rock stars and people in the music business, but the wines themselves aren't owned by the rock stars in his case. So which one are we gonna go through first? Uh let's let's start with the uh the finale Shankone Pinot Noir from Sonoma Coast 2013, one of 50 uh cases produced.
So this is this is one-sixtieth of the entire production. Nice, all right. Well the la the last which one's that's the grand finale? Uh just the finale. Okay, the finale.
All right, we have later to taste at the end the grand finale, which is their like their their most kind of it's their most uh what's it called, limited, it's the most limited, his favorite bottle uh that they that they make in this series. Now the the finale uh the finale wines uh is a collaboration who I actually think he does go to the winery and do actual collaboration with uh Jonathan Cain. Jonathan Cain is like a musician uh slash like a pi like a piano player who like he did he I looked on the Wikipedia and he has gone to like every journey concert for the last umpteen million years, played the piano solo which he wrote in Don't Stop Believing, and then like been like peace, I'm out, and then like leave. So hopefully for him they play it near the beginning of the set. Guessing no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just sit around, kids like, come on, guys. Yes, they make it through separate ways. Yeah, yeah. Slay Freebird last.
You know what I actually really like uh separate. What's the song that you hate? That one. Separate ways? Oh no, no, no.
How do you hate you hate Don't Stop Believing? Because here's why Nastasia hates Don't Stop Believing. Because she's like uh a bunch of people who don't know their butt from a hot rock just go around singing it and they have no idea. It's the one journey song they know, so I hate it. Nastasia loves old man music, actually.
No, Dave does. I like I like old man music, I like young man music, I like old woman music, I like young woman music. I like all kind of music. I I have uh what's her name? Uh uh what's her name?
Carlson or whatever. What's her name? The she was on like one of the idol things today. NASA? No, um Kelly Clarkson.
Clay I have her on my iPod. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's rocking, dude.
I don't know. I have a party in the USA on my phone. I could play the for you right now. Like a hand line. That I don't have.
I have limits. Gotta draw the line. I'll just check testing your just seeing the boundaries there. Here I'll just say this about my rock my my rock thinking. My my rock thinking is this like there's a lot of stuff I hated like growing up that I'm old enough to realize is good now.
Like Steve Wynwood. Steely Dan. Yeah. Steve Wynwood. Steve Wynwood, he just played recently.
Well, but back in the day I had to hate it because of the people that listen to it. Right. In high school. Right. You know what I mean?
Or like Chicago, maybe. Oh, uh, my first tape, Chicago 17, Peter Sotera's finest effort. Oh, please, the love thing from Karate Kid 2 sorts that. Oh, man. Alright.
Does Peter Sotera make a wine? That'd be amazing. It would have to be white. I don't know why. Alright.
Alright, so let's take let's taste this. Oh, no slurping, no slurping in the mic. Our our listeners get it our listeners get like super pretzeled. Now, uh let me let me give the uh let me uh talk about the uh the finale wines. So um the finale is uh where is it but why don't you talk about it?
Why don't you talk about it, um Clifton. And I'll I'll I'll find the I'll find the the small town boy. Just a small town boy, yeah. Uh South Detroit. Yeah, yeah.
There you go. Uh well basically, you know, just looking at it. It's definitely unfiltered. Uh and yeah, Pinot Noir. By the way, this was shipped this was shipped by UPS.
It got bounced. It was in a hundred degree warehouse in UPS this morning. I was like, ah and so like I like just shoveled it back here as fast as possible, like threw it in ice, have been spinning it to get it down. I think I got it to the right temperature. I think we're gonna temperature to I also like the idea that it's kind of been footballed a bit before we got here, because then it's really much more rock and roll that way.
Just like, you know, shake it up, pour, and let's see what happens. See if it holds up, man. See if it holds up. All right, Clifton, give us a give us a notes. No slurping and the microphone.
The reader the listeners get pretzeled. All right, sorry. I do that with water, it's so bad. Alright, yeah, so this is definitely seeing some heat. Uh high alcohol, uh a little bit of cherry, a little bit of like a strawberry thing on it.
This is Sonoma, right? Uh yes, sir. Yeah, Sonoma. So hot climates 13? 14.
13. 13. Yeah, so hot, hot year, a lot of big fruit. Uh alcohol is really hot on the back. On the side, get a little mouthwater pucker.
Uh not bad. Very, very classic uh Sonoma Coast. Um Pinot Noir, yeah, from a hot year. Now let me ask you this. There's a little bit of oak in there too.
Not much. Are you feeling the piano solo from Don't Stop Believing? Does the movie never end? Does it go on and on and on and on? And on.
I feel like the most fun thing ever is for people to listen to wine notes. This must be so much fun. Well, that's no, but that's why we have a legit Psalmslash blue men on. Yeah. By the way, do they allow women in the blue man group?
Yeah, they do, but the tits always hurt. Whoa, whoa, family show. Wait, wait, what? They chafed their nipples. Do you have to tape down your nymphs?
Yeah, so they at least bandage them all the way and so there's just not a real. Wait, because are they like they have to be topless? No, they have to look like men. They have to look as androgynous as possible. That's some fucking bullshit.
Hey! Tradana, it's not called the blue person group. It's the blue man group. Yeah. It should just be the blue group.
I don't know. Family freaking show. I'm with blue. You're my boy. Did you give blues clues cease and desist when they started coming out or no?
No, no, but I'm actually I I'm I'm I'm friends with Steve Burns, since uh like uh he's we've we've made many uh many a joke about such a thing. Nice. Alright, strong. Yeah. Alright, so uh now that it opens up in the glass a little bit, you got any.
I think this is fine. It's a nice drinking wine. It's it's not so much a don't stop believing wine to me. This is more of a lady in red, like uh god, I love that song. You mean like lady in red like lady in red?
Exactly. The very one. Or is it a simply red? Well, he actually is. Well, I don't I don't get the free.
Is that the guy? Is that the guy with the like the half McHucknell? Yeah. You know, uh I never listened to that stuff. Lucky.
I it's like I'm I'll just get it. All right, all right, all right. So what are we moving to? What are we moving to next? Uh is everyone cool with the wait.
What does everyone else think? I taste it and I get cherry rain coming down. I taste it in my mind and I spread it all around. I've had a few, but not that many. But this is the one that gives me good and plenty.
Wow. Wow, did it work? No, that's a quote. That's a quote. And I'm gonna give, I'm gonna I'll give up some sort of prize that doesn't exist to whoever can uh name the source.
You got me. Is it a musician? Yeah. Is it a journey song? I mean, no staying.
Well, stay on subject, bro. No, but he also no cherry moon. What's the cherry moon? Under the cherry moon. The cherry moon.
You're getting your book. This was Juicy Fruit by M Tume. Wow. Yeah. Okay.
I see I see how we're rolling with you. By the way, speaking of rolling, I know it's not his song, but LilJean makes a wine, maybe for the next time. Oh my god, I gotta feel that. Yes. Little John makes a wine, apparently, AC DC makes a wine.
Oh, they said they couldn't get it to us fast enough. Yeah, yeah. Do you make a wine? Is it made in Australia? How can A C D C not get it to us fast enough?
Australia. First of all, I'm just gonna say this about winemakers, right? So ACDC, when you go to see AC DC in concert, doesn't matter how old they are, doesn't matter like whether they've you know, whatever's happening to them, they play the songs just like the album. The solos are exactly like the freaking album. Every time they come out with an album, it sounds roughly the same.
And Angus was once quoted my favorite quote. Yeah, he's like, well, if it sounded different, it wouldn't be AC DC, would it? And then like, and so like he yeah, or he had an interviewer once say, Well, how what do you think about the fact you've made 12 albums that sound exactly the same? And he's like, It's not true. We've made 13 albums.
Best retort ever. So, but anyway, my point being is that a band that can do that for that many years and kick so much behind at it, yeah. Awesome winemaking potential there, right? Because they're like they're like they're right, because they they're good at that golf game. They can keep going.
Same. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. They're not like all over the map. You know what I mean? Yeah, they're not trying to do a country record this time.
No, right. Imagine. That would be green. Yeah, yeah. Oh my, that actually sounds good.
I I could I could listen to a country Thunderstruck. Hell yeah. The Gorge should start doing AC DC and not just do uh. There's a bluegrass uh band that does AC DC covers that's awesome. And it's not the Gourds, it's someone else.
No, I don't I don't know. They also do the Maiden ones? I'll text you. What? They also do Maiden too.
Maybe you guys, maybe that's the one. I like that you choose late 80s AC DC as your go-to to turn into a bluegrass thing. You don't choose, like, you know, you don't choose back in black, you don't do Bon Scott, you like go straight for like 1988, 89 Thunderstorm. Razor's Edge Tour. The guitar.
Oh, wow, wow, low. I'm feeling it. It's really well played. Wow, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll get their wine on eventually.
Alright, so let me taste it now. Alright, number two. We got the uh this is the once again DLM finale. All access. Oh, all access.
Gets you into the winery. So this one is about like, I think it's supposed to be more accessible, more kind of friendly, more available, all access pass. Drinking it in the in the in the back of the stage with your buddies brings people together. That's what the spiel says on the website. Because I read that.
I read all access pass. I'm like, strong. I appreciate the I appreciate the theoretical camaraderie I have with the musicians. Right. Do you think these guys are really drinking wine backstage?
I don't know. You tell me. Some of them, yeah, no, totally. I mean, they might not be drinking their own, but they should if they have it. But yeah, no, I would say it's more of an age thing.
You know? Younger guys. Like when you age out of whiskey, you start making wine. Yeah, never age out of whiskey. When you're trying to, you know, watch your waistline.
You don't want to drink like 32 Bud Tall boys every day. You know what? You should you should tell Dave Arnold about um water shots. You should tell Dave Arnold about water shots. Oh yeah.
Yeah. How to uh yeah, water shots. Water shots. Um yeah, a couple of Coachellas ago, I went to Coachella with Tommy Lee. Did you see did you see holographic Tupac?
Uh I did, I was at that one, but this wasn't the one. Yeah. He wants to be on the show. He's already cut five songs about it. Um and anyway, uh, so his fiance charged me with making sure he doesn't, you know, it doesn't get dehydrated, it doesn't get too and you know, out of the cooked up.
Whatever. Um What are you talking about? Rock stars don't do drugs. So I invented he like doesn't drink water when Tommy uh is drinking, he doesn't like to drink water because he's like, that's for um so anyway, I invented a way to make him drink water, and that was to do it like a shot, like go and get a you know, a little solo you know, pole and spring, and be like all at once, and we would chug it and slam it, and he'd be like, yeah, water shots, and then they realize that actually made him feel good because it was the desert. So that's kind of how we did it.
So we would do that every time we saw a water station, he'd be like, yeah, everybody, come on, shot! And like get people and chug it and throw them down. Nice. This can be a thing. We can start this.
It's pretty fun, actually. We do it all the time. Yeah, we do it, it's good. It's Jordana professionally. Oh sorry.
Registered trademark. What do you what do you go by when you're not being professional? Jordana. Dave Arnold. Dave Arnold's nobody wants nobody wants that.
You can go with Dave Arnold all day. That's like, you know, steal my identity, please. All right, what it okay. Is this the same guy? We're still going to stay in winery for now.
We're gonna taste his uh white at the end. All right, yeah. So this guy is uh big boy. It's like 15% alcohol on this guy, and definitely a lot of zinc in there. It's got a little funk on it, a little breadish action, uh needs to blow off a bit.
Yeah, it already like uh I swirled it and it's already gone. Like it had something at the beginning and now it's yeah. Yeah, it just it just needed to blow off a bit. Um but this is this is easy drinking. So is this a backstage wine?
I I this is to me, this is totally like uh backyard barbecue, any sort of like you can just you can you can just knock this back and get hammered. Is it high alcohol? Because like all access pass, you know, bring in girls. Groupies. Is this a groupie wine?
The fun fact for people about Nastasia the Hammer Lopez is Nastasia was apparently the queen of going backstage without performing any sort of actions. That's what she said. That's because she's awesome. But corn disagrees. Oh, if you're gonna choose one group to break that rule on, corn?
No. She's down with the new medal. I think this is a little bit more. She's like, no, it was Voivod, actually. This is the wine.
This is the wine that makes the blue man women's ace bandages come right off. You know what I mean? This pop, pop a little metal. Yeah. I think this is just a it's an easy, fun wine, not much to it, no aftertaste, really.
Aftertaste. The finish is that's a first for his salmon ever. No after taste. Yeah, there's no real aftertaste. It just kind of it's like it's it's it's for quaffin.
You just sit and just throw this. Just fades into a water shot. All right, so wait, now we're moving on uh to the pin up is one of the ones that's done with David Coverdale. Yes. So this is uh David Coverdale.
Now uh the other thing I I want to say about about these guys about DLM, uh and their their website is DLM Wines, right? com. I think so. And uh what's interesting is is that they a lot of their rock star things they do for charity. So they'll they'll get like all of Journey or or David Coverdale to sign a bottle and uh and bottles, and then they'll do a charity.
So I know that one of the things they did with Journey made a lot of money for the Make a Wish Foundation, so it's kind of an interesting, an interesting model. I just don't stop believing, will not leave my freedom. Did you guys ever watch First Sweet Feast? Did uh did a series of like tasting um tasting celebrities spirit brands with Jim Meehan and um Danny Brown? Wow.
And his tasting note for all of them was Taste Like Pussy. Hey, family! Cating feline. You guys cannot be getting a note of cat urine. When I first went through uh like any sort of psalm training, they I kept hearing this thing's like, oh that's a very feminine.
Oh, wait, wait, wait. This one, wait, wait, wait, wait. This one's this one's not this one's not not the Coverdale. Wait, I mean Pin Up Pin Up Cabernet is uh the favorite wine of the owner, uh Dennis Della Montagna. He uh came up with the blending concept many years ago when the winery opened in 03.
Wanting a pinup label and being a photography enthusiast, he took his own pictures and had them placed on the bottles. Uh it has since grown to popularity now. Our own wine club members volunteered to have their pictures taken on the bottle. So this is not this is not the Coverdale. I apologize.
Not the Coverdale. Not the Coverdale. This guy wants to be a rock star. He is friends with he's legitimately friends with the Rockstars. With Coverdale.
He is friends with Coverdale. Okay. But this is not as so this is not. By the way, if we're gonna talk, if we have to link it to a rock star, best best pin-up album cover of all time? Vargas!
The cars, candy oh, come on, I'd say I agree with you. Yeah, it's an awesome one. I don't know. This is hardcore, but pulp is pretty good. There's a blur.
That's not yeah, no, sorry. Yeah, this is hardcore. That's that's a photo. Well, I don't I guess it doesn't matter. But it's classic.
They like like the cars literally got Vargas to do their album cover. Yeah, without that. I mean, I don't know. It's not even for uh Durander and Rio, too. Yeah.
Really? I like this wine. You like this wine or not? Uh it's easy. It's it's fruity, it's juicy.
It's a jammy fruity. This is like California in your face. It really is. Where are you from originally? Me?
Yeah. Mississippi, right offside on the wall. Really? So you don't like having California in your face. Oh no, I've had many a good evening that way.
Alright. Okay. So you're not like you're not like a uh a mud bug aficionado. I do love the mud bug too. Yeah.
Yeah. There's very few holes I won't crawl in. Uh oh. Family show. Yeah.
This is this is fun. I mean, it's it's jammy and fruity. There's no way around that. No, it's big jammy. This is like this is like slutty wine, is what this is.
This is like this is like uh like what how do you describe it? It's like um Parker style, but but like big people who like that big style. So before the backlash that started in 08, 07, like it used to be that like Americans, we made our bones on these giant freaking wines, right? Like the turtleys, the screaming eagles that were unavailable, really expensive, only by list, no one had them. And then and and those were in response, I think, to kind of like what Robert Parker liked at the time.
And then uh what happened was is you had a bunch of like young bloods being like, I don't like that. I hate it. I want austere. And then everything went austere. You know what I mean?
But a lot of that's just because they couldn't afford it. Think so? Seriously. No, yeah, it's right. And and to this day, I'm like, you know what?
Like, if you're at home, and here's what happened: the market got glutted with uh ten dollar giant fruit bombs, right? That were all like over tweaked at the winery. And then you had like a situation, so like back in like in the 90s, the best deal on earth was um the $10 black label Rosemount Shiraz. Right? Yeah, it was like it was like under 10.
We were all dirt freaking poor, and I was like, I have this for under 10 bucks. Wheat! You know what I mean? And like they were only making a certain amount of it, but then all of a sudden you realize that they made enough of it eventually when it got popular to fill Lake Michigan. You know what I mean?
And the quality obviously didn't stay as high as it did. We all got kind of sick of this style. It became more affordable, and therefore it became something that nobody liked, and everyone wanted something more kind of austere. And I think we're getting it's it's like uh saying earlier, I don't know whether I said it on air, like there's music that I like now that I hated when I was a kid because I'm old enough to realize that everything has a place. You know what I mean?
Right. And I think the same thing goes with those big kind of fruit bombs. Like they are an American thing, and we should just embrace them. Just don't drink them all the freaking time. Right.
I mean, but like you know, you could you get a really nice Monabello Ridge, which is a fruit bomb and a hat, but it's complex and sexy, and just I mean, it goes so great with steak, you know. Why wouldn't why would you deny yourself such uh hedonistic pleasure? Like a Bueller Cabernet with a steak? Yeah, it's I had a 13 bueller this weekend. And every time I do that, you know, I s I do the I do the Ben Stein Bueller, you have to.
Bueller. Nine times. Yeah, yeah. My wife is very sick of mm my antics at this point. She's just like we said the freaking steak.
All right, what are we drinking now? Uh this is the Grand Fanati. Oh, this is the super fance. This is the super fance. So this is again back to Journey.
Uh yeah, this, but this is the fanciest one uh of the line. I'm trying to see which one is the oh, the purple cuve, which we'll have next is the David, is the David Coverdale one. This is the white snake, right? Uh I think it's called White Snake. We just need white snake whites.
No, there's a white that they sent, but it's also the white snake purple. White snake's Infandel still, isn't it? He made something called White Snake Zinfandel, which is freaking amazing. Amazing. Amazing.
You gotta play to the strengths of White Snake. But it's not a white Zinn. That's the thing. I think it was it was purple. Oh.
Yeah. Oh. Do you know that Dave Coverdale was in uh Deep Purple? Yes, he was. I didn't, yes.
For a couple years, yes. He he uh premiered on the album Burn. With Glenn Hughes as the double lead vocalist, also the bassist. Glenn Hughes is amazing. Glenn Hughes is amazing.
So they have two badass tenors in the biggest. Oh, yeah. See, this is much more austere. Yeah. This is this is Bordeaux.
It's smell it. This is like as this is as left bank Bordeaux as you get. I think it's quite nice. Kabsolve Merlot Cab Franc, we're right on the nose. I think this is quite nice.
This is like Boni Vare. Bony Vare. We went from Journey to Boni Vare. We just went. Is that how you're supposed to pronounce that?
I don't know. Like you pronounce it like it's French. You're not like Bonheaver. No. Which makes me want to say it exactly the way you just did it.
Yeah, you totally should, man. Down there in by New Orleans way, you must mispronounce every French word, but not in an American way, in some sort of weird New Orleans way. That's right, yeah. He's from Missy, just to be clear. Well, yeah, but it's all the same crap.
Low country's low country. 30 minutes from high school to the French quarter, so low country, low country. I got a Saint Sticker on McCart. There you go. You have a car.
Yeah. So cool. By the way, I get a ride. By the way, so you'll understand this being from that area. When I was uh when I was going to get my dogs neutered, I kept on saying I was gonna chop a toolist their balls off.
Oh nice, nice, nice. Just so they wouldn't know what you were talking about. Yeah. Dave. Yeah.
This is really nice. This is delicious wine. I'm getting notes of wheel in the sky. Keep on it. And I like it.
Don't know, don't know where we're gonna be tomorrow. I know. Hopefully back here. This is fun. Exactly.
Nice. I like this really. It's a straight up Bordeaux. Is this his limited batch as well? This is the this is his most limited, this is his most limited one.
This is his only sixty case, this is eighty-five. Yeah, but this is his highest end one. This is also two thousand ten. And it's the finale, right? So it's it's a it's a it's a what's it called, between um the winery and Jonathan Kane.
Ohlaboration. That's the word I was looking for. I personally hate collabing. I hate collaborating. Really?
I know. I hate it. I know. I'm the first of all, I'm j I'm just bad at it. For those of you that want to know, like Nastasia has found what it's like working yeah, yeah, but we're yeah.
Nastasia knows what it's like working with me, and f she describes it this way. Look at the first pilot episode of Veep with uh Julia uh Dreyfus. And when she c when she s like has someone sign the document for it, comes out and says, the amount of incompetence in this office is staggering. Like that's like that's it. She's like, that's what's like read your mind today.
Nastasia no Nastasi and I are good. We've been together for like eight years, so like working together for eight years. So she yeah, she read my mind because I was like, It's hot. She's like, Yes, I know, ice bucket. I'm like you know what I mean.
Do you make her feel appreciated? No. No. All together now. But Nastasi and I are like that.
You know what I mean? Like she doesn't make me feel like I'm a she's like she's like, you know, whatever. It's like it's it's a thing. Little ways. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't make fun of you today.
Nice. All right, I think it's delicious. You want to go to purple? Let's go to purple. I'm gonna find a lot of things.
We gotta hurry this one. Yeah, finish this one. Alright, we have more glasses. I'm here to talk about Burning Man. We had a question.
Someone wanted to do Burning Man. Why don't you, while we're opening this next bottle, why don't you talk about what the cocktail you made of Burning Man? This is Jordan Rothman. Formerly of Time Out New York, uh writer of the book, what was the taco book called? Tacos?
Tacos. I got that book. Recipes and provocations. Thank you, man. That's a great book.
I wrote it. Yeah. I wrote it. I done wrote that book. Yeah, I would have signed it with a shit.
I'm supposed to write another book now. While we're opening this, also. Oh no, no, Jordana, go in, go in, go in, go in. Talk, talk, talk. So last summer we made an acidulated cordial so that we could the problem that we were solving was to make a shelf stable margarita for Burning Man.
And we did it, even though you were a huge ass you were huge asset. Asset to the process. If anyone listening here has meetings, like to go in that meeting and slip this in to someone next to you. You're a huge ass hat to the team. Now, it sounds like you're saying asset, you're actually saying ass hat.
Oh, because you gotta slip it in. You know, you're a huge ass hat to the team. And then and then, like, just like let it drop. They'll hear asset, and you said ass hat. And you feel so good about yourself.
Amazing. Amazing. I have I I have tried to get my wife to do this in her meetings for, but she's my wife's like, she's like, you know, she wants to do it, but she is like too professional. She's amazing. Anyway, whatever.
There's gonna be one person one day that inspires it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and uh also, like uh we've put it out there to our the cooking issues crew. Someone out there is like, hopefully, tomorrow we'll tweet back to the cooking issues at cooking issues with I used asshat to the team.
So the dude that wrote in about the tiramisu. No, no, no. No. Got creme brulee. Creme brulee.
That's right. He wanted to make creme brulee. We have another person who wants to make a cocktail this year. Oh, so he should be cordial. He wants to make the cordial.
So basically the deal was we approximated the flavor of fresh lime juice using malik and lactic acid in like store-bought um orange juice, which worked out super, super well, actually. It was like a like the ratios were good. We just didn't use fresh lime, which you were very upset about. Super upsetting. But that was the whole point of the problem.
The whole point was that you can't bring fresh limes into the desert because they don't stand up in the desert. So we got as close as we could and it was great, and I felt very proud of it. I would recommend to that guy that he I brought um like a large pollen spring uh water cooler, water cooler uh jug so that he could I could mix it in that and I kept it underneath the trailer and it worked out really well. All right, all right. And it worked out super well, and Dave's an asset to the team.
Did people enjoy it? People love it. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. They're literally like and you hand them any cocktail and put the best ever.
You could have served them poison, and they would have been like a big thing. I just want to point out that there was a time. There was a time when I was your favorite person, Dave. What happened? I love it.
You're so mean to me. Tordana, the the harder I am on you, the closer you are. Oh, okay. That sounds like um every every abusive relationship ever. But she needs to be a little bit more.
Give me some purple. Give me some purple. This is white snake purple couvet. Purple. This is corked.
Purps. This is a corked as you can use as well. This is awful. That is corked as well. Yo, David, David, whoa, whoa.
Before we do that, does anyone let's do some Harold McGee on this? Does anyone have some plastic wrap? Whoa. Does anyone have plastic wrap? We can get rid of this.
We can get rid of the. Yeah. There's plastic wrap on these, but Dave Arnold, for those following at home, just jammed some soiled saran wrap into his wine glass. It's not soiled in the way that like Frank Oz with uh Jim Belushi's condom says soiled. It's completely one condom, one prophylactic, soiled.
That's about it. But like honestly, honestly, if that helps, if that what you're doing right there helps, like is that. No, I'd sooner pour that down the drain. Like pour it down the pour down. Like, what are you doing?
Hey! I don't want to drink that. We did a test. And you're and he's swirling it as well. Yes.
Maximum surface area. It looks like a glassful of tamper. It's like a tamper. So uh so the molecule is yeah, do it to yours. The molecule is uh is uh attracted to the plastic.
This is the theory. We've done this test with Harold McGee, and the large surface area of the plastic in the contact will preferentially absorb the corkedness. Uh TC um my brain is totally shafted. TC. My brain's gone.
I'll get it in a minute. So if you're in a desperate situation, like if you're desperate, there's nothing else to drink. Water shots. Other than water. Get your plastic rod in a big bowl, because you want to flash that stuff off.
It is volatile. No, it's gonna still be there. Give it a minute. You just like kind of swirl it around like that. And then no, and then actually, so he's now I want to narrate this because what he's doing is he's squeezing out the saran wrap into it with his dirty fingers.
And then rock and roll, Tanana, presumably. This is making me gag. This is so repressive. It's still there. No.
It's less. It's less. It's less. It's still there, but it's less. If I say what a red stained plastic clipping looks like on the radio, I will.
I'm not wrong. It's less. It's less. And then just to continue the narration, Clifton spat it into the spit bucket. It's a spit bucket.
With a horrified look on his face. Speaking of horrified, this date that's outside of our windows not going well. Yeah, no. There's a date outside of our windows. Clifton is vomiting cork line.
Right in front of them. I have to admit it is it is slightly less. Yeah. Boom. Slightly less than Dave Marnell's story.
That being slightly. As we say en Francais. Boom. Boom. Le boom.
But if you could see the label of this one. The label is pretty terrible. Slightly improved. You guys. Well, it's White Snake.
Thank God. Look, White Snake. I mean, then again. Look, not for nothing. Do you know that David Coverdale was married to that uh Tony Katane?
Yeah. And I'm thinking. What was that video they did together? It was Here I Go Again. Here I go again, I'm on.
And still of the night. She's on a white jaguar. No, but there's another one he did with her. Like, what's it? Slow it down.
What's the song called? Is it still the night? No, then it's still in the night. It's still a night. She was in that one.
Here I go again. On your own? Here I go again. How many different roads have you known though? Yeah.
I'm going down a little bit. Yeah, he's only known one road. That's the whole point. That's what's so genius about that song. It's not like a Robert Frost thing.
There's no choice. No. Nothing. No. There's one road.
No, no, no. The point is that he tried to divert from the road that he knows, and now he's like, you know what? This is who I am. This road, back to the road out of the room. And the problem is, she's on the front of the car.
How can he see where he's going? That's true. It doesn't matter. It's the only road. It's true.
Here's the thing. If it's the only road he's ever known, we we think of it as like a one-direction thing. But obviously, if it's the only road and he's been there and back, he's like just taking the same road back and forth. Well, he's a drifter, so he's on a roundabout. Ultimately he can kind of circling.
Songs about cul de sacs. One, white snake. Fun fact number one. That song is actually a white snake cover of a white snake song. What?
It is on an earlier, earlier album before he had a real deal. And the lyric was like a hobo. I was born to walk alone. So he covered himself for that. Number two Dale covered.
If he had said hobo, then like John Stewart would have murdered Dale. That's right, exactly. And the other thing is check mine. The flavor profile of this wine seems to be taken off of the residue from the top of the jaguar from the here I go. You guys, man.
Yeah. Let me taste it. Also, I'm at a drifter. It's a lot later this weekend, and he gave me a candy. Hey, well, yeah, my point.
Here's my point. Like, the wine is corked. We shouldn't judge the wine off the fact that it's corked. But I will say this if you're at if you're backstage at a white snake reunion, right? Let's say you're backstream.
You don't want to have to bring an opener. Go go screw cap. Yeah, I agree. You're not aging purple cooves. But you know what you could do is just smash it on the hood of a white jaguar and drink it out of the jagged edge.
First of all, that era of Jaguar was the least reliable car on freaking Earth. Like late 80s Jaguars are the worst cars ever made. True. You're saying that to me like I'm claiming that they're the best cars ever. No, you just don't have that Jaguar.
It's a mistake. You know what I mean? That's all I'm saying. Clipton has a car, you got to do it. Alright, so oh, we're moving on to the next winery.
We're gonna come back. We're gonna taste the wine for these. But we're on to, by the way, Les Claypool, huge influence on me. Les Claypool has a winery called Claypool Vineyards. And I first actually only ever saw Primus once in concert.
When did you see them? 91. Ah, solid tour. Really? With Fishbone.
They were Sally C. Oh! I saw them in New Haven at the palace, and in the middle of a song, I forget what it was, it was like maybe it was Defy the Laws of Creation. Or like uh or Mr. Know It All.
They call me Mr. Know It All. He goes, he stops in the middle, he's like, he's like, I hope none of you are taking halogenetic drugs. They're illegal and they're bad for you. And he's like, dude, and I was like, what the hell, Les?
You're so freaking high. They were amazing. Amazing. But we were having an argument before the show started over the best Primus album, and it's clearly fizzle fry. Like straight up, straight fizzle fry.
Anyone who says anything else should be shot in the face. Like Fizzle Fry is their best album. I'm not saying I want to shoot you. That's fine. But they basically just did it.
First of all, like uh that's not the blue man group that's winds up jumping. I'm rehearsing. I'm rehearsing for our bottle orchestra. As Daniel Gritzer trying out for the blue man group. But listen, so like so uh the thing about uh that tour.
So when I saw him in 91, first of all, Fishbone was awesome, obviously. Um Fishbone was amazing, and you know, like at that time, people don't remember what music was like back then, who are not our age, but like uh back then back then you No, but back then, for those of you who are you know not in their 40s or 30s, like it used to be hard to learn good music. It used to be like a thing you had to go do. You know what I mean? Like Fishbone was never played on the radio and there was no Napster.
Fishbone didn't get radio play until 92 with Sunless Saturday, and they made it on Saturday Night Live. They did a horrible job on Saturday Night Live. So much so that when I saw them in concert two weeks later, like they were heckled by the crowd until Angelo Moore went ape on the guy in the front, like screaming his uh at him. But they were one of the greatest live acts I've ever seen, Fishbone. And Primus actually really crushed it.
But back then it was so hard to learn to like or learn to know good music, especially I was an East Coast guy. I'd never been out west, even though I was born there in California. So like, but all of my big influences were that West Coast, that West Coast uh sound. You needed like to know the cool guy at the record store who was older than you. Yeah.
Kind of that was the only way. Yeah, and you needed to be willing to spend $15 on his recommendation. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know, and then he'd probably clown you a couple times.
Yeah. It was very high fidelity. Yeah, like for instance, you would have seen that film. I bought the wrong Buster Rhymes album back in the day. And I was like, which one?
It took me years, extinction level event. And I was like, and it took me years to get back to learning what good Busters. Not that that's a bad album, Buster was just saying. He was just on a he's on a he's having a moment. Yeah.
And it's not his best album. No, I would say definitely not. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you know, none of my Buster Rhymes faves are on that album. Anyway, so like it was a big deal to buy an album unless your buddies already listened to it.
So, uh, and I always ended up going on the tour after the album I really liked. So I loved Fizzle Fry, didn't see that tour, learned about it later, and went on the Sailing Seeds of Cheese tour, which by the way. That's probably that's if I if I just make one album that's a good one. Really? They have a couple of things.
Yeah, but find him in one. Okay, so oh sorry, but don't start with me. But like I did it on by the biggest thing. But like so there's a guitar beginning to there's a song called uh those damn blue-collar tweakers, and the beginning of it goes, it sounds like you're diving in a submarine, it's like that sounds so enjoyable. Yeah.
The guitarist, the guitarist is the word of that. The guitarist did that for like ten minutes straight to intro the song. Oh. I think he wanted to clear out all the non fans. I forget who was headlining, whether it was fishbone or primary.
Or once again, if you're on psychedelic drugs. We have to probably go home now. Alright, so let's taste this wine. Which one of them is it? They sent three.
This is the uh Russian River Valley 2013. This is an extremely classy looking label. There's a commercial. I don't even know what the commercial's for, and I don't really care. But it's the best thing I've ever seen on a commercial in my life.
The guy is trying to impress his date, and he goes, Pinot Pinot Noir, which means peanut of the night. And then he's like, I was like, boom. So anytime my wife and I have Pinot, we're like, it's it's peanut to the night. I kind of like that. That's good.
I think it's good. I think it's good. It's good. It's a very um classy label. I was expecting something real goofy.
This is really well made. It's really well made. It's very it's very subtle, which is uh not what I normally think of when I think of Les Claypool. It's Rancho Relaxing. Okay, listen, Les Claypool has first of all, Les Claypool and his wife in 94, I read, bought a place, I guess, in Son in Sonoma, right?
Uh and um they uh get interested in wine, and for a while he was telling people to drink wine, I guess, as opposed to shrooms or whatever. I don't actually know what his drug of choice is. I know he used to do a lot of marijuana, but um I mean, he was probably high on hallucinating drugs when he told us not to take them. This is the Pacaderm uh Pinot, by the way. But this is um, you know what?
The guy is an extreme technician when it comes to bass. Whether you like his bass or don't like his bass, he's an extreme technician. I happen to think the reason I like fizzle fry, the best of all of their albums, is it has the best melodic sense. I think after fizzle fry in Sailing Seas of Cheese, there's just so much virtuosity in all the playing from everybody that it doesn't become as in the world. Wait, wait, can I just stop?
Can I just stop for a second? Yes, definitely. I can't take anything seriously called fizzle fry. You know what a fizzle fry is? And there's like the small ones that have like that have gotten really, really well done.
No, I actually really love those ones. Oh sorry, like the fruit. Because like they're the crystal fruit. Just a quick note, it's actually frizzle fry. Oh, frizzle fry.
Let's claypool. That makes it sound like a bad hairbag. Les claypool hues fish a lot of fishing references in Les Claypool songs. Fish own, fish. A Herald of the Rock.
Yeah. Does he like to fish? I just think you get disqualified from the world of music for the name Frizzle Fry or Fizzle Fry or whatever. How the hell old are you? 38.
You should know better. No. Democrats, I remember you when you turned 30. I know, remember that? Strange tip of the drummer for all that stuff, Tim Herb Alexander.
Whoa. We had a lot of clay pool wines here. Once he left the uh the world of the primus, he uh joined the Blue Man group, and I played with it many times. Come on. Is he cool?
Super cool. Good drummer. Amazing drummer. Clisten, you are such a find. Thank you.
That's all I think. I'm gonna say he's not my agent anyway. I'm gonna say I love that first clay pool wine that we had. I thought it was great. I was actually bummed that you enjoyed it out of put in this other one.
We have a whole bottle. Alright. But see, I've got it, I've got it all mapped out. It's gonna work out great. So we have two single vineyards going into the combined one singing.
But I wish that they weren't all called the same thing. I wish we had like Harold and Rocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe some differentiation in the world. So, what was the difference?
The one we just tried was why don't we just so both of these are from the Sonoma Coast. Since I can feel that Clifton and I are the only Primus fans, what's your favorite Primus lyric? I have mad respect. We need new pornos. That's a good one.
Do you know what this show is about? And who is listening to it? Uh I just like Winona having a big Ryan New York. Yeah. Oh, that's later, though.
They already lost me at that point. That's still a good lurk. Yeah. Because she does show it off. Didn't Les Claypool get together with Butt House from the Limbo Maniacs and do something.
Why are you looking at me? I don't know. That's the best bassist name of all time, Butt House. Wasn't that his name from the Limbo Maniacs? Anyone?
Butt House? No idea what you're talking about. Oh, that's really cool. Have you met Buckethead? I have met Buckethead.
Oh! With Allah. That's Clifton. Come on, how was he? Was he cool?
He was super cool. It was when he was doing uh the show with GNR at uh Radio City. Really? Now if you tell me that you actually know who the residence is, I'll stab you in the face. And I saw the residents tripping on mushrooms at the Warsaw in 2002.
Really? Yes. Les Claypool. Were you tripping or were they tripping? Look, Prime is covered in miscellaneous debris.
Yeah. And the album, best album name, maybe ever, Duckstab. Duckstab is a great record. What are you guys talking about? The other great ones.
You guys want to let me know when I can come back? The James Brown before. Let's just start singing. Here, Ryan again on my own. I thought you were going to go into the Limbomaniacs.
The toilets flooded. The lower. I let me just figure out what before we taste this. Let's figure out where we are, like personally. Do you guys know, like the alien Jorgensen, uh Jell O Biafra, like Lard?
Do you know Lard? No. Yes. No. Do you know DJs?
What? 1,000 homo DJs? No, is that the same guys who did Millions of Dead Cops? Yes, that's awesome. Is that is that a millions of dead cops, guys?
No, no. But it's an Alison project. Really? Nice. So we found our level here.
I've also I've also realized that Dave, you like absurdist lyrics in your in your rock. I do. Okay. Yeah. Well, like to some degree.
To go to Jell O Biafra for a second. Or it's a neat best alb other best album other than Dugstab, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables. That's a good, yeah. Yeah. Fantastic.
All right. But we gotta taste. We've got a taste. Yeah. Alright, so this is the uh this is the rice spivoc vineyard.
So both of these have been single vineyards that we've had. And we're gonna take from the single vineyards and then we're gonna do the one where they're combined. Alright, and then we gotta we gotta do some we gotta do some Virginia. We gotta leave time. We don't have a lot of time for it.
We're really on a serious agenda here. We haven't even hit the whites. I know. What do you call me? I like the other one better.
That's my that's my that's my uh yeah, me too. Well, you know what though? This one's a this one wants to be a little warmer than this. Yeah, it's a little cold. A little chill.
A little bit. Both very well made. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that Les Claypool and whoever they have making their wines is doing an excellent job. I'm gonna give him a double thumbs up on that. He's his own Siskel and Ebert.
Alright, let's go to Virginia. Let's go to Virginia. Let's go to Virginia. We'll eat that if we have time at the end, we'll taste it. We'll stipulated Les Claypool and his wine folk.
Yeah, doing good. Good people. Good job. Good peeps. Alright, let's go to Virginia.
Stash, bring them out, bring them out. These ones? This is Dave Matthews, who is from South Africa. He's from South Africa, but he grew up in Virginia. We're more than white.
Start Rose, start rose, start rose. Oh, I thought you said you're bringing a rose. What is happening? I feel like we've been white for a while with this music discussion. I'm just saying.
Good point. All right, here's the Vignier. Now, how do you pronounce it? Most of the show is a Vion. So Vignette is the state grape of Virginia, which makes no dang sense at all because they discovered a freaking wine grape in Virginia called Norton, aka Cynthia.
But it's very hard to find Norton wines or Cynthia wines that are good and or made. Because it's not Binefra. Right. It's uh how have you pronounced that? Estevalis or whatever, like like like Estefan or whatever, like whatever it's called.
It's a bad species. Have you had a Norton you hate it? I I've had Norton, it's fine. It's just there's not a lot of things. Here's the thing about Norton.
Everyone says Norton. Now I have and Norton's chilling with Mario with my favorite one of my favorite Beastie Boy lyrics going through my head. But like my point is is that um I feel that having read from producers that Norton is given a bad rap because you need to age Norton for at least a good Norton for at least uh five to six years before you drink it, and then it's only good for another like two years. That's crazy. Yeah.
And so I think there's a guy, maybe we go, maybe we go. In St. Outside of St. Louis in Missouri, there's a Norton tasting, a 10-year Norton tasting, if you ever want to go. All right.
What are we drinking? Dave wants a new best friend. Lineheim vineyards. I'll take this one. Do you want to hang out one time?
I think it's probably Blenheim. I think it's probably Blenham. This is Virginia. Vognier is the uh grape. This is Dave Matthews bought this uh vineyard, I think in like 2000 and early.
And uh 15th, so that's a very moderate one. Right, no, but I mean I think he's owned, I think he bought it, he built the thing on it. He um they have a bunch of wine makers. The wine uh I forget the winemaker's name. She seems cool.
I looked her up on the website. Uh here's a fun fact about their vineyard, literally next door to Trump Vineyards. Literally next door to Trump Vineyards. And I looked this up and I was like, Trump Vineyards, crap on you, not because of political reasons, but because the guy doesn't drink. So why should he own which I I don't knock him for not drinking because his brother like had a severe drinking problem?
I don't knock him, but I'm saying don't own a don't make a vodka. Don't own a winery. But the winery actually, if you actually look it up, no matter what he said in the debates, he doesn't make the wine, he's not affiliated with the wine. His son Eric is the sole owner. They Trump Trump Donald Trump at the Donald Real Trump, whatever his thing is, he does not own Trump's winery, but they're right next door.
I'd rather have him spend more time on that than the other stuff. He doesn't drink. I don't want a guy making a wine who doesn't drink. Yeah. You know who does that?
The monks at Chartreuse. They they have their stuff twice now. Yeah, but none of them. They have some practice. I want two guys now.
All right, all right, all right. Clifton, give me this, give me a. Uh the Vionnier? I think it's I think the note is great. It's really light, it's really fun, it's uh super easy on the palate, great coffer.
This is uh this is uh saltwater swimming pool wine. Now now now talk to me. What do you think about Virginia wine in general? Do you have a lot of experience with Virginia? I don't have a lot of experience with it, but it's something that I've really been getting into lately, especially the Cat Francs.
Uh I I find like Virginia just to be kind of a it's really cool for historical reasons because uh there was this dude way back in the day that named Thomas Jefferson. And he was like a big Bordeaux hound, and he he was removed. Yes. He wanted to make Virginia into wine country, and so it's like they've been trying and trying and trying, and it never worked, and they've been really kind of doing really well the last 20 years. Now, yeah, uh everyone got everyone, everyone got the everyone, yes, hemmings, yes.
They uh we all got it. Uh the one time I went to Monticello, by the way, which is only a couple miles from here, I went in from here? No, actually it says it here, Monticello. Oh, no, but like the actual like Jefferson's estate. The only time I ever went there back of the nickel.
I went there, and the the ladies who are giving the tour there are like nuns for Jefferson. In other words, like you can't insult Jefferson, you can't crack wise. They're like, they don't, they are not playing when you like mess with Thomas Jefferson. So don't go there and like hemmings it up. They don't, they they look at you like I made all kinds of wise cracks, and they were like I grew up, my father used to just bring us to historical sites that was like our family vacation.
So I learned early on that no fun is allowed. No. My my stepfather made incest jokes at the Wright Brothers Museum in Kitty Hawk. He's like two dudes alone all that time on the beach, shh, like and like uh like the lady not having it. Anyway, so when I went to Montecello, the what I found is that they have an amazing uh historical garden at Monticello, and nobody's tending it.
Go to Monticello right now. It's peak season, and you can just rip all of the vegetables off of the vines and eat them. That's what I did anyway. I don't recommend that. That's not really nice.
But they're not eating those. It's possible. And they're not eating it. It's a waste. Okay, so we like this one.
I like this one. I think it's really nice. The interesting thing about Vognier is that apparently it finds a different expression, as all fruits do, uh, in different locales. So Virginia thinks that they get a very good expression out of this grape as opposed to let's say where the sucker comes from. Ms.
Rothman does not like this wine. Who doesn't? Miss Rock. Jordana doesn't like it? She's making faces.
Why do you not like it? She called it a water shot. It's a water shot. That's not the case. That's not the case.
It's a 13% water. I like that. I like that salt water and swimming pool descriptor. I'm gonna use that. No, no, but it's got the salt, it's got the salty, but it's not like heavy mineral, it's not like it's not like oyster shells.
You mean also it's like an easy drinker? This is like a I mean like I would like to sit in a sort of thing. You're on your you're on your inflated pool, floaty. I'm always on my freaking inflated floaty, wearing a hat and long pants because I need to do it. Which kind of supports Jordana's thing, which is it's like water.
You guys, you're wrong. You're just gonna be a little bit more than a lot of things. I have a wide range of floaties if you guys want to. So which one is this? Which one is this, by the way?
It has a very grassy nose. Yeah, not a grassy nose. I get honeydew and overripe pear. Yeah, tennis ball or cat urine. Cat urine.
Okay, so this part of the cat, you're gonna get it. So uh Dave Matthews. This is uh what? You don't like those mellow saxolas? This is their tasting note.
Okay, all right, let's go on to the painted white. Paint it white. I want to do all of them. Yeah, that's it. Paint it white.
And then we go ahead and see what you have to say about that. It's gonna have to be two shows. Oh, it doesn't matter. Paint it white, paint it white. Two of these, Dave.
Did it we did the one? No, this one. Are we still on the book? Lenum, Blenham. Ah!
This one. Yeah, the blend, yeah. No one is listening at this point, by the way. So that guy with the creme brûle burning down. Paint it painted white, 2014.
Painted. 65% Chardonnay. Whoa, whoa, 65% Chardonnay, 25% vignier, 9% Savignon Blanc. This is bad. And uh 60% of it's uh aged uh aged for um 10 months in French and Hungarian oak, Hungarian oak.
What's up with Hungarian? Hungarian oak, it's oak from Hungary. Uh wow, I could not have figured that out. Obviously, um, dessert ones. I made this fun directly from the winemaker.
You ready? I made I made this, I make this wine because I wanted to have a heavier, bolder white wine in our lineup. This wine usually sees a larger percentage in oak for a longer period of uh time than most of our other whites. I try to uh select the best and or most interesting varieties we have to blend together to create this wine. By the way, Dave uh the the uh Blenheim Vineyard uh does uh they they produce their own grapes, but they also buy other Virginia grapes, but all the grapes are from Virginia, not from outside.
They're not like trucking California grapes in. Is there a reason why we call that that has to do with Dave Matthews? I don't know. Blenheim to me is my favorite apricot, so every time I hear Blenheim, I'm super happy. Didn't the Blenheim people open a restaurant in the West Village?
Didn't that happen? Uh it might be because uh on his website, I uh the history of the land, I was like, yeah, yeah, okay, whatever. I tell tell me about the wine. Uh but there is some sort of history. There was a house, it burned down, it was called that.
But the world's greatest apricot, crap on anyone who doesn't believe it, is the Blenheim apricot. Straight up. Punch you in the face if you don't like my apricot. I believe it's a good one. I never had one and I want one.
Yeah. They're delicious. They're amazing. You better like it. California.
Yeah, anyway. Anyway, okay, wait a second, wait a second. Some barrels will end up going through a malolactic fermentation, others won't. So it's a mix of some stuff that's gone malactic, some don't. Yeah.
I'm really searching for it. I don't add malolactic bacteria to these barrels. It just sometimes happens when the sulfites get low. Some of the wine is in barrels uh from the juice stage. Some of it goes into barrels once the Chardonnay and Villonier have come out in early spring.
Thanks so much for including our wines and hope you enjoy them. It actually has like a nice acidity, though, but it doesn't have a nice acidity. It's surprising because it's sigillated portion. It smells so sweet. It's like cotton candy, and then it's smells exactly like cotton candy.
Exactly like kind of candy. And then it's and then there's none of that when you drink it. It's it's like sharp and Dandy Moore said, I'm missing you like candy. Wow. This is like a bad switch.
I like this. In a good way. Okay, you're hired in the blue man group. Can you can you spit a ping pong ball up and catch it in your eye socket? Alright, let's go, let's go.
Right over there. Yeah. Um this is great. I like this. You don't like it.
We have a difference of opinion. Daddy doesn't like it. Daddy says no. Anthony, what do you got? What do you got?
Daddy says to me, I don't really like it. I like it. I've like both of these ones. Oh goodness. I like both of these too.
Yeah. That's okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's your clip? He doesn't like it.
Cliff, what's your what's your note? I find it to be very well put together. I find it to be very well made. It's a very I think it's uh it's it's a good blend, it's a good mix, but it like most of the white girls I dated when I lived in Mississippi is fucking boring. Oh family show.
He skated by that was still family. Damn. Oh, it's that for the F. They said the F bomb. Now, listen.
Jessica's crying somewhere. Listen, I would be remiss. I would be is that the name of the is that the name of the girls? It was either Mary Margaret, Mary Lacey, Mary Helen, exactly. Okay, listen, listen, listen.
I would be remiss if I didn't know the girls you met in the blues. I'm not actually gonna, I'm not actually gonna crack, I'm not gonna crack the joke because it's not good. But I'm gonna explain what the joke would have been. Why don't you tell it? That's even worse telling me.
But let's talk about it. It's well known that it's well known that Dave Matthews, tour bus driver, dumped all of the poo out of the tour bus through a graded bridge in Chicago onto an architectural uh boat tour. What? And then they got coded in Dave Matthews poo. That's the most rock and roll thing that band ever did.
That's like it's a well-known fact that yeah, it's just like they're all like, oh that's what happened. And they didn't give a shit. Family show. But the fact of the matter is, Dave Matthews was A not on the bus. He was not on the bus.
Uh-huh. So it's like roadie. And they immediately apologized. They paid everyone who was on the bus. No, no, no.
He was his poo. Here's what's on the bus at the time. It was Rhode Island. Have you ever been on an RV? Have you ever been on an RV?
They store poo for a while. No professional poos on the bus. Yeah. Anyway, my point being that they the bus driver A went to prison and B had paid a fine, was fired, and Dave Matthews, like He went to prison for that? Oh, he was the fall guy.
No, no. Dave Matthews handled it very well. And the point is that a lot of his fans, and I'm not a fan. I like I I don't care about that style of music. It's not my thing.
But like I don't hate him, I don't love him. He's just I'm not I'm I'm nowhere on it. It's something it's sort of like uh I've never seen a fish concert, I've never seen a Dave Matthews concert. I did see a Grateful Dead concert. Well, that's in the 80s.
But we won't talk about that? Yeah. Oh, in the 80s, ripping. Yeah. But my but my point is is that uh I I have no I have no pony in this race.
But the the thing is uh he handled it well. And how did he handle it? But that's where this wine comes from. No, but my issue is I was gonna make a joke about fertilizing with his tour bus. Ah, nice.
But you know what? I don't even I don't understand. There's a lot of backstory you have to know to get it. Yeah, I mean, such a thing, that's why I didn't do it. I got it.
But you did do it. But you did it. You did it for like five minutes. I meta did it. But I like I like knowing that story because I yeah, I mean, I didn't even know that story.
But I usually don't pick like the news alerts for Dave Matthews Band. I turn I never had them on. Really? Yeah, I didn't, not even in like high school. From all accounts, I would have random notes the hell out of it.
Listen, listen. I I I like I like those wines that they made. I'm a huge supporter of of not newer because it's hundreds of years old, but like up and coming wine regions, so I'm like super jacked about Virginia wines in general. I really like that. Uh I like I like them both.
And um I thought the Vyani is great. Yeah, and I don't listen. I like I said, I'm not like musically, that's not my my jammy jam. But you like jam though, if you like Primus, it's jammy. Yeah, but like that like well, I'm a bassist.
Definitely not to bring it back to play. I'm a bassist, I'm a bassist. So if you're a bassist. Does that mean you hate bass players? No, I love Les Claypool.
That's bassist. Oh, that's yeah, that's basist. That's basic. I missed that. Okay.
Yeah. Anyway, but uh, and so like there's no one that handles hammer ons and taps in the way that Les Claypool does. I mean, uh and I'm a huge fan. What's about Dave Matthews right now? What?
No, yeah. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, it's not, I'm not like it's not like my style of music. Right. You know what I mean? But he does do a lot of stuff like farm to table.
He's from Virginia and South Africa, but he grew up in Virginia, and he's gone back there. He has a farm there. He's he supports local farmers. Farm to table on the tour bus, that's for sure. Farm farm to tour boat.
Sorry. Alright, I'm done talking. No, he's cool. He in that way. Yeah.
It's like the jumping poop off the tour bus kind of way. When's Steve Miller gonna make a free wine? That'd be amazing. Do you like Steve Miller? I love Steve Miller.
Yeah. He's incredible. You know what Nastasia once said? No hit songs. That's not what I mean.
Joker? Twilight. No hit songs. Steve Miller band's greatest hits. That's not accurate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. And Steve Miller, apparently also good guy. Paid the guy who wrote uh Big Old Jet Airliner. Paid him even though he didn't need to pay him, paid him, and that was the only money that freaking guy made.
And he was blind. Alright, so this is we're back to DLM. We're going back and that's the one. That's the dude from Tanatuva. Exactly.
Yeah, he wrote and he was the guy who also went to and became like the Mongolian throat singing champion. Yeah. Which no one should do. Well, if you're good documentary. That was a good movie.
That was a good movie. Is it one of those weird things just like it's a little bit more than a couple of Genghis Blues? Worth watching. It's not really two notes. People.
People, it's not really two notes. They're just getting some resonance in their throat. This is Daniel Glitzer's. You're just making didgeridoo noises, Daniel. That's no, that's that's producing the harmonic above the fundamental tone.
As we say enfoncée, that is not like that's not really two notes. Two notes is producing like an A and a D at the same time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You no, you you you know not of what have you speak. No, I know I I I enjoy not of what you speak.
That's the issue. I enjoy not of what you speak. Dave, you know a lot, but you but but no? Like it, no, but it's but it's interesting. You know what?
Like I can like like kind of frizzle fry. I can listen to like Pakistani like Sufi music, like the Sabri brothers all day long, because that stuff rocks. Like people sitting down and trying to make harmonics with their with their throat. I agree. It's a it's a party trick.
All right. I just dismissed the whole culture. Yeah. That's rough. That's American.
That's no, but that's America. All right, let's go back. We're on DLM. We're on DLM. Yeah, but the LM Riesling.
2012 North Coast The Cov. Studio. Studio. Yeah, really? Riesling.
Look at the cave drawing that's on the label. It's a caveman with a flying V. That is pretty strong. Check it out. Flying V, by the way, not a very good guitar shape.
Oh, but it's excellent for getting to high access on the Rick Nielsen. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, but most of those guys aren't really like who played a vi flying V that like needs that. Like who's like Randy Rhodes. I completely misunderstood flying Vicky Nielsen.
Kirk Hammett. Cliff. Alright. I lose. I lose.
He's like a metal. I think you've really met your your mouth. I lose, I lose. Like I'm willing to know what I lose. Yeah, we can keep going.
The flying V has its place. It's not a really good sounding guitar. Michael Schenker. But you do it for what you're doing. Michael Schenker.
It's not your only guitar on the stage, usually. But you whip it up for certain songs. My uncle, my Uncle Marty sold everything he owned to buy a flying V in 1979. Well that was not a good idea. Yeah.
It definitely was not a good idea. No. I mean, if you're having one guitar. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's a novelty guitar, but don't.
At the time he was going out with a go-go dancer. This was in New Jersey. I would have loved to party with them with the city. That sounds like a great time. Sounds like a Springsteen.
He bought a spirit. Told everything here. Come on, guys, everybody grab a bottle. Let's play. Anyway.
I can still remember what I can still remember what I'm saying. I was only eight or nine. I still remember what she looked like. It was like right before the 80s hit, and she had that, she had that like that flare out in her hair and the frost, the slight frost, and like the the cheek thing. I don't know what you mean by that.
You know the like the red on the cheek thing. Oh, okay. Not like, you know, a rouge. I don't know. It's not like stubble.
I don't know whether she was old school like hookers. Oh, you're calling my uncle's girlfriend from 1979 a hooker. What I'm saying is that ladies pinch. Ladies' pinch. Ladies pinch.
Men rubber band. Contour. Men rubber band. Men contour. If you've never known anyone who has danced, a man who's danced as for a living, rubber bands play.
We all know a man who's danced for a living because Clipton's here. He dances clothed for a living. He dances. That's what you think. It's all paint.
And he's not that clothed. He's clothed now, people. I want you a visual image. We all have clothes on. Will someone take a group photo?
Yeah. Anyway, so uh we have a lot to get to that we're not going to get to. I'll get to it next week. I have questions on uh possible cancer links with Karaginan. For the Clevroy.
For anyone who's still listening, Greg Blonder from uh who's amazing, go to his blog, Greg Blonder, wants anyone to talk in, call in, tweet in about vacuum infusion and vacuum marination and pressure marination, because we're gonna talk about it on the show next week, our experiences with it. We have to talk about uh cordial at uh Burning Man. I have a whole bunch of stuff I have to get to that's not Rockstar Wine related. But this has been the Walks Rockstar Wine Cooking Issues, and maybe if ACDC sends us some more wine, we'll do it again sometime. But this has been, and thank you everyone.
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